***guess they need to reach their recruitment quota***

...nope, not recruiting at all...you've never seen me say 'come join me' yet...For myself, I didn't join any organization -- I don't expect any one to...but don't care one way or the other. I only have a secondary interest, in that I might would have some commonality with another seeker, and compare notes.

This is what happens with God...He joins with each individual...
...what you do has nothing to do with me...it has to do with God...

Whether what I say resonants with you or not, if one or none or a thousand listen, matters not to me...I do what I feel lead to do...and all the rest is thankfully out of my hands.

***They´re just bored, I think. Not enough joy in their lives.***

Got joy enough...and no boredom...perhaps weary of the world would be closest approximation to what you're trying to describe. Or guess.


***if there are realy vampires***

My only notions, as reguards to you, or most any human, are to help you out when our paths cross and I'm able to...beyond that -- as for me personally, I'm a loner by nature -- so I need nothing from you...would prefer no contact with you...
So how is that vampiric? I want neither body, nor soul, nor spirit, from you, or of you...I crave neither your attention, nor opinion, nor mind....I prefer you have a mind of your own...my only regrets are when the mind or spirit lie unused -- but I have no vested interest in that -- except in compassion...if that's rebuffed -- then I'm the last one to force themself on someone's freewill.


***I guess advice can only be given if it has one point of view.***

It positively baffles me how you can be so monolinear...but I guess when you´re a hedonist, everything is measured in feeling good...

No; advice should come from various points of view...but good advice should fit the context of the request, and where the advice seeker is at...to ignore the context is to merely state what the advice is that you´d give yourself...

...and to speak of a single point of view...that I can count on being a hedonistic one from you, always...

For a young person in their formative years it´s very bad advice...unless having no moral compass, and selfish self-fulfillment is the purpose of existance...

For anyone, young or old, cast adrift in life, postponing growth for self-indulgence is not constructive...everyone needs a break sometime...but not as a lifestyle...

***I try to say what I think***

...then think before you say...do you now see that advising out of automatic ´party on!´ (which is your standard answer to everything) could be inappropriate? It is not a universal cure-all?

___________________________________________________

***Re: To Christians and others who want to know.Very important***

oh, he gets pretty clear when he wants you to understand something, and retreats into gibberish when it´s the ´message´, and his god is a smurf...
"Don´t worry christians, just hop in the UFOs when they show, I´m a messenger telling you that Jesus told me it´s ok to go, ´cause your job is done..."

...his god is a smurf...

...what does that tell you?


What? Wave your alien cookbook in our faces, and then just leave?

What the Hell were you thinking? What was your target audience? Don´t you smurfs do any research before you open your mouths?

Impress us by waving obscure NewAgeWeenie books as your authority?

Why don´t you whip out your cigarette lighter and impress us on how you can conjure flame?



I don´t remember smurfs being THIS stupid...


...oh yeah, you said take it or leave it...okay I leave it and will not take it...you wanna play cowboys and aliens...why don´t you pick some other category than christianity?

***Re: To Christians and others who want to know.Very important***

Okay, you just want to post your answer to life, the universe, and everything. Post away.

But you yourself said you had a message for a certain group.

Okay, the first thing I query is ´what is the message´, then ´who is the messenger´, then ´who sent both the messenger and the message´.

In a nutshell the message is that parameters have changed and the old way of doing things is obsolete.
Universals by their very nature ARE universals, and unchanging. Arbitrary foundations are not true foundations. The old way of doing things is the present way of doing things; a fancy way of saying the cosmology DOES NOT CHANGE.

And you´ve identified yourself by answering NO to the important question put to you, which puts ANY and all things you say as being an overt or covert undermining of God´s Will. As representing yourself as a messenger, understand.

And that colors any guess as to who sent you - or what motivated you to take it upon yourself.

Your very statements disqualify any validity of their content.

Kept simple -- ´this is what I believe´ -- would not have raised more than an eyebrow on this forum.

But the claim to have a message for christians -- now you´ve committed rape against me, because I´m obligated to pay attention to what God wants, and you´ve deliberately inserted a trigger phrase into my attention span, that you know I must respond to -- under false pretenses, because God´s messenger to christians would not have answered NO.
But there is nothing of christianity´s message in your post...mostly a reversal of christian thinking...so now you´ve insulted my intelligence to think I´d believe you had a valid communication.

Bottom line, you´re asking me to abandon my faith for one you´re promoting. All of yours is some hollow escapism...no shiny hook, no bait, even...except some pathetic fiction from outer space.

Yes, patch real quick, and put a veneer of good samaritanism on it...that´s pretty thin...spiritual? The boy scouts have as much or more spiritual and moral guidelines than your lame science-fiction cardboard cutout of a cosmology.

You can´t even keep your alien story crap straight.

Reverse engineer our responses, patch together something, and try again. And again. And again. And you´re going to wonder why, no matter the variations, why we won´t believe your fictions.

It´s not a hidden thing...you simply are not a legitimate voice of God...



This isn´t even good fiction...

And notice, he must have found his smurf-english dictionary mighty quick, when he realized he didn´t have enough time to insert what he needed to, speaking broken mumbo-jumbo.

Bad fiction -- and bad acting dude.

I can smell, even YOU don´t believe the crap you´re writing.

THIS disqualifies you --

>>Is Jesus God in the Flesh ?
Yes or No ?
Simple ... No ?
Answer; Can no longer be answered as the aesthetic on Jesus is almost used up.<<

The question doesn´t really ask for a yes or no answer -- it´s only requirement is a YES answer.
Ignoring or dissembling, dodging, rephrasing and qualifying, or just saying NO; are all one and the same.

So post again, just edit out all christian appeals, and you´ll do just fine.
Or just come out and say we´re all wrong.

Not like we haven´t heard that before.



Insulting aliens? Me?

Give me a break.

You´re stretching your acting skills to the limit. Too bad you are completely transparent to christians. But play on, someday you´ll believe your own stuff if you repeat it enough...and what a tragedy, blinded by your own hand...

***so don´t tell me I have no room to talk here?***

Your reading skills are only matched by your writing ones. I said post what you want; just -- if you invoke christianity or Jesus in your thread, expect to defend your stand.


And this one is just priceless--

***I know this technology well enough to apply for a number of alien liaison jobs and as a matter of fact I have.***




***As for Christian, you have not demonstrated anything Christian in any of your question tonight and I doubt you have much in the way of compassion for others, in the manner your addressing here tonight?***


Why would you think you would need compassion in being dealt with?
Are you helplessly deluded that you need my help? Compassion is for the weak and helpless, the victims and downtrodden. You seem none of these.
Is there a defect in you that my words can rescue you from?

What would you know about compassion that ultimately comes from God? (a God with Personality who dispenses how and where His compassion is applied) that you obviously don´t serve -- because there is ONLY ONE God.

What kindness is there in telling a pedophile that he´s just misunderstood and just needs some feelgood christian hugs?
What kind of Christianity is applied in catering to fools who are trying to involve others in their folly?

Iodine stings when you put it on an infection.

Cutting through bullshit and applying truth is very much christian. LOL a non-christian without a clue trying to assume what a christian would or would not do. How would you possibly know? If you don´t grasp the Message, how would you know how it´s applied?

Arguments against the Bible have at the root either a misunderstanding, or a lack of knowledge.
A little knowledge is worse than none at all. At none, there´s nothing to unlearn, or straighten out.

An example: if you bring a poorly running car into the garage, and the mechanic tells you that you have an electrical problem -- a little knowledge will have you claiming that you know that it has a gasoline engine and electricity has nothing to do with it. The lights work, the horn works, the radio works; how can it be electricity that´s at fault -- the mechanic must be wrong.

Or better yet: your police and fire department scanner quits working. You take it into the shop to be fixed, expecting it to be an electrical problem. You have radios and tvs, you know without electricity that they won´t work -- the scanner uses electricity like other appliances, so the problem is obviously electrical.
Imagine the reaction to being told that, no, it wasn´t electrical, what was wrong was that when one of two stones stopped talking to the other, the scanner quit working. The scanner works by two stones talking to each other? Yes, and if one cracks, it stops talking to the other stone, and the whole thing doesn´t work.
Think that´ll be believed?
But if you studied about crystals, you´d know it to be true.

Same with biblical arguements -- you don´t have the full story, just a small piece that you think you know well. Why argue with you about the scanner until you investigate about the crystals? -- it would be an exercise in futility on my part; and I wouldn´t have the time, space, energy, or inclination to give you enough background to bring you up to speed.


Oh, HE knows what he´s doing alright; that´s why I deal with him the way I do.

I´m not responding to him for his sake; he´s chosen his path...

But for those who might think he has some actual validity, they hear another side. That´s compassion - anticipating the need of someone who´s weak or vulnerable, and applying an antidote to error.

I mean, if you want to play that you´re an alien, go ahead. No problem. But when your play steps outside the bounds of playing, and starts picking up spiritually loaded guns; the more mature have an obligation to step in.

BTW - This is an offshoot and a small illustration of when God says He´s a jealous God...
...I´m just as jealous at defending what I perceive as reality. I understand His intolerance of allowing lies the same validity as truth.
Is my belief so shallow that I could allow, even dispassionately stand by, while the beliefs that I hold (and the attacker doesn´t) are allowed to be profanely used as someones playtoy?



***Re: Do You Wish That We Show UP?***

***how her narrow view is isolating her from the possibilities of some much deeper truths about God, Christ and the nature of reality***

So what is the genesis of these much deeper truths?
And more to the point, can you give concisely what those ´deeper´ truths are?

Man is separate from God, through an exercise of free will.
Jesus provides the reconciliation.
We are no longer separate from God through an exercise of our free will, accepting the reconciliation.

Okay, what ´deeper´ truths have you got?

What embellishments even matter, if the core exists? What´s the point? What ´new´ thing could you possibly add?

In the struggle of who you belong to, God or the world system, what point does adding more characters add to it?

Beware of ´deeper´ anythings, like layers of an onion, the layers are distractions from the clear central point of humans being reconciled to God.

This is between us and God, adding anything else is just more separation.


***an infinite God has infinite expression of which Jesus was/is one.***

This is coming out like I´m contentious and nitpicking...
But foundationally, even though God is certainly infinite, it would be a painful and nearly impossible labyrinth for Man to reach God if there were a myriad of avenues to chose from. Even with the factor of deception and blind alleys removed.

All ways to Him can´t be true, if it were, then all would be valid, and then the idea of being separate would be an illusion, because nothing would prevent union with Him. You could sleep your way to heaven. Or eat hamburgers to get reconciled. Listening to the wind in your hair would forgive sin.

It´s not that Jesus is ´just´ one...He´s the ONLY one...made that way fortunately to make it simple...but more importantly, foundationally, that only a Being that was both a material creature and God at the same time, would be able to bridge that gap. No other plan, no matter how infinite the Creator is, would fulfill the requirements.
For God to be as His Nature dictates, both a God of Mercy and a God of Justice, a perfect solution was necessary. The Nature of perfection narrowed the choice of how to solve the problem in just one way.
I know it sounds narrow minded, and I´m not ´thinking outside the box´, but dealing with the nature of Absolutes, means that a thing is one thing and not another.
One plus one equals two. Bring in the layers of the onion, and arguments can follow about what ´one´ is...but it´s going to sound like Clinton arguing on the definition of the word ´is´.

Jesus´s own words, about His death, "for this I came". Kay is right.

But onto the subject...I don´t care if they come here or not...(new character enter...stage right)...what difference would it make?
One more message in a cacophony of messages, and one more special-effects razzle-dazzle, is or is not going to change a heart any more than one more sunset will or will not.
Yes, it´d be impressive to meet other sentient beings; but we don´t do well with the other ones we have on Earth now (porpoises, elephants, parrots, etc., etc.); and even if these new beings do have common ground with us, would it make a difference? I can´t get my child to understand half the things I tell her!

In the long run, if it´s a distraction, it´ll just be another in a long list of them; you probably don´t remember the raving against playing cards, and then movies, and then television, that went on in the recent past.
If they´re here to help, well, then they have their work cut out for them.

I suspect the point is for us to find the Point, help or no help, hindrance or no hindrance.

Who am I to say...I call upon Jesus for help, to angels for help, to the saints as a witness; all outside forces....
I think the cautionary note is not to be calling upon reinforcements that turn out to be like in the invasion of Normandy, to be German agents in American military uniforms; to confuse, assassinate, sabotage, and defeat.
Great that they don´t infringe on our free will, but I think demons are under that stricture too.

Keep grounded in the Faith, and it won´t make any difference in the long run. What is allowed, is allowed for a reason.


***Re: the bible is not a good book!!!!***

normally, I wouldn´t bother with a thread like this, but the first comment struck me, that you really read without the words forming meaning in your mind.

If it says the world is flat -- topographically that is correct.

If it says the universe has four corners, it means the physical laws are anchored in four dimensions.

God created the ability to step away from Him, which is free will, which leads to the separation of good and evil.

We are gods, in that we share His power to create. Creation -- the hallmark of God.

Those that are jealous in a human sense are actually covetous and envious of love with a selfish outlook, but applied correctly, jealousy is a zeal for the well-being of those you love.


***It was written by a bunch of charlatans purposely trying to deceive humanity***

Every one of them? They all didn´t believe in God? All those generations were scamming, all the writers were con men; and only in this generation we find those not trying to deceive?

I don´t know about your KungFu, but your logic is weak


***Re: Christians & Muslims are imbeciles!***
***go drink some blood***

I suppose you gain your existence without eating/destroying any life at all?
(Life is in the blood, whether it´s animal blood or plant sap).
Symbolically giving your life so another may live repulses you?
Actually giving your life so another may live is satanic?
Are you offering nothing but hedonism in contrast?


As far as the qualifications of what constitues the Antichrist: I will be posting later. I do think if you´re curious, you would have done a little looking into.
But once again, if you´re pagan, and you have no antichrist; why borrow ours? What´s so facinating about the details of a fable to you?
You don´t want the meat of the story, why should you get the fruits of my labors for the tasty bits?
I´ve heard your tune. You´re god and you eat bon-bons after you get stoned. Swell, works for me. Up to a point.

I have no illusions, the real Antichrist will have you falling all over yourselves, gushing how wonderful he is. I saw your reactions to just an ordinary smoothie in AO, so I know even warning you who it might be will do you personally no good whatsoever.

Just leave it at bush is not the Antichrist.


Ain't that strange...
Most posters of the forum hate TPTB...
Both Christian and nonchristian complain the world has been hijacked and is not user-friendly.
The nonchristians point their finger at the 'fear/control' of the christians.
And the christians point their finger at the demoniacally possessed nonchristians.

Hummm....

The world ain't right...and both groups blaming the other.
You both couldn't be wrong, could you?

You both couldn't be right...could you

But the idea that both groups consider the other group in charge of the way the world has gone, seems ludicrous.

Sounds like the old tactic of ´let´s you and him fight´.